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A week ago we brought you the first part of the interview with Drah Cenedive. He is the lead author for the Hard Evidence Research Groups book claiming that west coast hip-hop rap icon Tupac Shakur may be alive.

The exclusive interview has caused much fury and has generated a lot of email to us.

Due to the overwhelming response and the wide interest in this controversial interview, we have decided to post it a day earlier than planned, because we are getting so many requests for a ‘sneak peek’ at it.

This is part 2 of our exclusive interview with Drah Cenedive, lead author of ‘2Pac Lives’. This is a highly controversial, interesting and respectful interview. Care was taken to make sure this topic was approached with respect to all involved.

Part 1 of the interview can be seen here on the site if you missed it.

Part 2:

Robert – We asked for questions from people on the web. Some have read the book and some have not. I would like to address some of the questions that have been emailed to us now if that is ok with you.

Drah – Sure.

Robert - What made him start this project?

Drah – It was completely divine inspired, the Shakur Family is very spiritual. So we are in fact dealing with the spirit.

I was advised that its okay to be deceitful when need be.

However it is not okay to live in a lie.

Tragedy only follows such a burden and life style.

I feel Tupac’s dedication to the truth and his fans are more important than his deceit. That’s why he continues to make music while telling you the truth. Truth is necessary even the government tells the truth be it late at night three o’clock in the morning news or allowing an alien autopsy and documentary to be aired on national television.

They do not publicly tell you the truth by not making a public announcement, but they’re telling you.

The 2Pac Lives project gives you what many have concluded as the truth in a nutshell it’s your choice to accept it or not. Remember the Matrix and how Neo initially rejected the truth. “I don’t believe it, I don’t believe it!!”

Maybe he couldn’t handle the truth.

Robert – "Why Drah Cenedive, is it because backwards it spells evideneC harD "HARD EVIDENCE"?

Drah – Yeah, an adopted idea from Tupac.

Remember he made a video in a city called “Rukahs”

Robert – How many books are there supposed to be and what are the themes of the books?

Drah – We hope to get approved to complete a trilogy.

We are throwing around a title for the second Volume II “2Pac Lives”

The Death of a True Thug. The themes may range from a more thorough side to Pac’s mind and philosophy to his plans for the future.

However there may be no sequels without the approval of Amaru Entertainment.

Robert – If 2Pac was to return in physical form, where is he at right now?  The book gives speculations of his whereabouts like Cuba, Mexico, or Arizona, but where exactly.

These speculations are already known by the majority.

Drah – Do you really think I’d tell you if I knew? Like I said before we are not in the business to pry into people’s personal lives. There was lots of information I withheld from the book for these reasons and these reasons alone.

If you’re a Tupac fan be a loyal Tupac fan. Try not to become obsessed with his whereabouts and intricate details to his every move and life. If you love him, you would at least respect his safety and peace of mind. This is not a hide and seek game this real life, real bullets, and real blood.

Remember what Pac said “We don’t’ shed tears we shed blood do you still wanna be a thug?” lyrics from When Thugs Cry by 2Pac.

As far as the speculations are known by the majority believe it or not most 2Pac fans don’t know what we know. And when I say we I mean us Internet nerds who are on the net daily looking for 2Pac news and info. A lot of the hardcore 2Pac fans don’t have computers, can’t afford one or not interested in computers and the net.

They’re out there bumpin they’re beats or getting high trying to make it in this hellhole material world, living in poverty, or in prison.

I know I meet them every day so a lot of the book’s info really is new to them. These fans are living the life Tupac lived which was really, really poor.

So in other words if you come across some information you already know don’t get pissed; keep your book in goods hands and wait for the next volume. Better more be thankful and grateful you have a computer to obtain what you found out.

Be thankful you have shelter, food, a credit card, and comfort. 

“Against all odds, though life is hard we carry on

livin'' in the projects, broke with no lights on”…lyrics by 2Pac Smile

Robert – Why did he or his moms choose ATL for the 2Pac center? I mean his funeral was cancelled in LA and ATL, does it mean that 2Pac’s new home is in ATL? ATL is becoming more united than ever, could this be a movement? If u listen closely, U.S.A now stands for United States of Atlanta.

Drah – Atlanta is the Mecca of America baby!!

New home for Tupac, I’m not sure wouldn’t want to speculate.

I remember Tupac was headed to Atlanta before he landed a gig with Digital Underground as roadie. 

A movement? Maybe.

I know there is some noise presently in Atlanta concerning voting rights for African Americans. I also heard about some circumventing going on down there too.

Robert – 2Pac and Suge Knight were friends or so called friends before he died. If he’s still alive, do you think he and Suge are still cool?

Did he set Suge up and broke away from him, thus leaving all his materials to moms?  Who really killed Outlaw, Kadafi?

Does he have an opinion on Kadafi's murder since many feel the 2 are related?

Drah – Yes, I’m sure they still have a close relationship (Tupac and Suge); I doubt they talk much especially if Tupac is under surveillance.

It appears no one killed Kadafi, perhaps Tupac makes it really clear here: “Now I was born alone, took my first joint and I got high alone now I''m an Outlaw nigga, I never die alone”…. Lyrics from Homeboyz by 2Pac and The Outlawz

Robert – How many people in the music industry have any clue of Pac’s whereabouts, but still maintaining silence? Guys like Dre, Snoop, Daz, C-Bo, Big Syke, Richie Rich, etc, were closest to him, what do they think?

Drah – Not sure who all is keeping the silence hopefully it remains that way. I’m sure it’s a topic that is never discussed openly.

I have not interviewed any of those people to get their views and opinions on the matter.

Hard Evidence Research is like the “news in a novel” you want the truth pick up one our books we are more like journalists rather than reporters. This excludes us from interviews, which means when we do receive statements, testimonies, etc it is published as reported evidence rather than your typical quote.

In other words we’re not sick scientists trying to turn humans into rats.

Robert – I have this new CD out in the west coast called, “2Pac The way he wanted it” produced by someone anonymous, could this be a west coast Pac resurrection? Did Makaveli really die, and 2Pac living on?  On the intro, it was calling out Eminem and G-unit saying “they don’t know me”, in reference to the Loyal to the Game CD they put out. Now, if the west coast artists know Pac died, why are they resurrecting him like it’s time? It’s been almost 8 years now since he left us, and no one in the west put out any 2Pac CD, besides mix tapes.

Drah – I have always thought there was a connection with Eminem, G-Unit, The Game, and Obie Trice. Does Tupac say they don’t know me? Is it Tupac’s voice? I’m not sure why they would resurrect him this way. Perhaps we are trying to resurrect someone who does not wish to be resurrected in the way we want. We have to consider the fact that being a celebrity is very, very stressful. It’s no coincidence that Eminem and previous celebrities have considered an early retirement.

FYI: The word celebrity is derived from the word celestial, which refers to the stars and celestial constellations.

Robert – Why did he choose Thuglifearmy.com to be exclusive with?

Drah – There’s not too many good reporters out there with integrity.

We needed someone with integrity and had a strong interest and support of Tupac Shakur the legend.

Just another Hip-Hop site wasn’t enough. Thuglifearmy.com is obviously a supporter of Tupac’s legacy and revolutionary life, the picture of Tupac on Thuglifearmy.com proves this immensely.

Robert – Why only 144,000 copies and no more?

Drah – 12 x 12=144. As odd as it sounds I feel 2Pac had 12 disciples and he who possesses the book, I feel, becomes apart of his spiritual family mainly because you get a big chunk of Tupac’s mind what he was really saying and his philosophy when you read it.

Now mind you these words are not coming from me, but the fans that have read it and have it in their possessions.

I will admit the book is a one of a kind book. There probably isn’t a book on the market written like this, it really is unique in a weird way.

I have received compliments I feel I don’t deserve and are owed to Tupac. Besides it’s Tupac’s words, mind and lyrics that they’re exploring not mines.

However after studying Tupac and while writing the book I see Tupac and I have a lot in common.

Believe me when I say there is “Alot” of love for Tupac I mean “Alot”

I mean it’s scary. I had a 57-year-old man who wasn’t a Tupac fan, didn’t believe he was alive.

He told me straight up Tupac is like Jesus, so I ran with it.

Robert – Is or was he (referring to Drah) a Tupac fan before he wrote the book.

Drah – To be honest I really wasn’t. I was really big into underground rap and artists. And since I’m a producer I used to collect a lot of local artist showing my support.

If you notice most mainstream artist are pretty watered down and I was obviously ignorant to think Tupac had been commercialized.

There is something about ‘money’, it seems when ‘money’ and comfort is involved one tends to lose their craft. Well this obviously was not true about 2Pac whose finances were constantly in turmoil.

Turmoil, struggle, and pain can be a good thing concerning art.

Some sort of immense discomfort or turmoil surrounds most successful artists, and/or famous and brilliant people.

For instances Kurt Cobain was bi-polar, Vincent Van Gogh lived and died in poverty tying to sell his art, whom by the way was also bi-polar, Einstein and John Nash were both schizophrenics. Eric Clapton & Sheryl Crow are uni-polars (depression) and Leonardo da Vinci also was surrounded by struggle whom was schizophrenic.

It is possible Tupac has a slip personality with Makaveli (the militant) and Tupac (the angel).

For some reason when one gets comfortable wealthy and healthy with life they tend to lose their creativity that’s why every time you look up Warner Brothers or some big healthy and wealthy company is stealing someone else’s ideas. Of course all art is plagiarism, so I ain’t mad.

Tupac never lost his creativity mainly because he was constantly going through the spiritual struggle, which makes us better artist.

Maybe Tupac is comfortable now, maybe this is why there was disgruntlement with ‘Loyal to the Game’.

“Struggle is ordained and one of life’s greatest lessons is pain”…

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Robert – Has he had any threats or strange occurrences surrounding the books release?

Drah – The office gets strange calls every now and then especially when we’re heavy on the net or have a press release with ThugLifeArmy.com.

I mean the first time they put us on the site and this latest press release concerning this interview, the office was bombarded both times for about two weeks with strange calls with no one answering, but just listening.

I was under surveillance by the government before this so it’s no shock to me. We figure it’s the government or Tupac.

As far as threats go I view death as a blessing not a curse.

Robert – In his research did he find people to be cooperative or try to hinder his progress?

Drah – One person told me if I came to town with this book she would picket it and curse me. She was afraid for Pac’s safety.

Most of my research was very much encouraged and everyone cooperated from that point on. I was told by several fans to do this project. “Finish this project or else!”.

Robert – When can we expect to see part 2 of the book?

Drah – That’s up to the Shakur family, if Tupac shows himself or reveals himself someway other than what he has already done; there might not be a need.

Robert – Has he been in contact with anyone who knew Pac personally, if so what is their reaction to these claims?

Drah – Yep, I had just gotten back from Atlanta and I had a friend there who knows the Shakur family very well. She was suppose to do a track with Pac. She cursed me bad for the thought of this book; she was concerned about Tupac’s safety.

At the time I didn’t understand, but now I do.

I also know Tech9 who has done work with Tupac.

Myself, Tech9 and the local star Zeem http://www.2paclives.org/Default.aspx?tabid=33506 used to hang out in the same studio.

Robert – Can he reveal any "secrets" as to what the future may hold regarding Pac?

Drah – I gave Pac a ‘nick’ name in the book, I call him the

“Black Houndini”. I hope he names his next cd “Black Houndini” or at least give a reference to it in his lyrics.

*FYI: “Black Houndini” was the original name for “2Pac Lives” and is also another one of the considered names for the sequel volume.

Robert – What is his relationship to Amaru Entertainment, and also, how are Amaru's affiliates receiving the books release, that is, what is Amaru's feelings about the book?

Drah – We have a relationship that is necessary for this particular project. They have not disapproved of the book and its existence. 

Robert – The author claims to have an ability to speak to a 'spirit''. As weird as that sounds, he opens the book with this information. He continues that the spirit informed him that Tupac was an angel known as a Seraphim. It would be great if Drah Cenedive could shed light on this relationship between himself and the spirit, and then further explain the Serephim label associated with Tupac.

Drah – Fantastic questions most reporters are afraid of questions such as this. Unfortunately the question is a bit misleading. I never refer to Tupac as being a Seraphim. I don’t’ think any human can claim to be a Seraphim not even a Monk. Seraphim are the highest of Angels and are too vast in power to possess a human body.

I alleviate the “weird” from my vocabulary like I said before those whom are just having a physical/material existence may not comprehend nor believe in such a thing.

However I do refer to the Seraphim revealing to me that Tupac was alive and then instructing me to write the book. I’m not a psychic I’m not crazy I don’t think, but I do try to follow orders from a high power.

Was I skeptical, was I afraid? Initially of course I was so in a sense I respect the skeptics and fearful people. They want to play it safe and rid themselves of the spiritual burden that bogs us down.

The angelic hierarchy is as follows: Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels, and Angels.

Yes, I believe Tupac is an Angel manifested in human form. Many believe that the so-called aliens are angels in the form of flesh.

Robert – I noticed on the ThugLifeArmy.com site that you are only publishing 144,000 copies.

It was this statement that has made me want to read the book even more. Not because I might miss out getting one, but because of the amount that you have decided to issue.

Would I be right in saying that you have chosen this number because of the reference in Revelations to God's ''Chosen People'' being of that number?

Drah - "We are spiritual beings having a physical existence, while other people are physical beings trying to have a spiritual existence"

“Many of the 144,000 that may posses the book will not fall in the category of being spiritual. It’s not about being chosen it’s about being awakened. The word “chosen” is a word surrounded with pride rather than “unity”.

Robert – What does Drah say to people who have read the book and still are not sure what to believe?

Drah – We greatly thank you for your support, please stay tuned and follow your heart and spiritual instincts.

Robert – Besides "numbers and theories" does he have any "Hard Evidence" Pac is alive?

Drah – Common Sense.

Robert – Was Afeni aware of what he claims went down?

Drah – Yes she has a copy of the book.

Robert – Was Biggie's murder related to Pac's or a further cover up or what?

Drah – No it appears the incidents may have been two separate incidents. Biggie’s case is presently being investigated.

See documentary: “Biggie and Tupac” and http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/people/11959908.htm

Robert – Does he have any plans to possibly turn the book into a movie or documentary?

Drah – Yes, there are future plans for a motion picture, but only with the approval of Amaru Entertainment. I am also a amateur short-film director with a completed low-budget/no-budget movie already on the market called “Mortal Crimes” http://www.2paclives.org/Default.aspx?tabid=33506

If we are fortunate enough to do this movie we promise you it will be like no other movie you’ve seen before we have a new genre called “Shock Therapy” we like to victimize our audience with shocking scenes and themes we are working on two scripts now one is called “Clairvoyance” and the other is “The Paradox”

Clairvoyance is about a guy who thinks he sees the future and makes the wrong decisions.

The Paradoxis about a venomous lady named Harmona Isabella Van Dyke spreading her lustful gospel.

Robert – What type of response has he gotten from people who have read the book?

Drah – A lot of good feedback, especially those who felt they were misfits all their lives. Some controversial responses and neutral responses awaiting the next volume, while others have shed it in the same light as being an unofficial doctrine.

Don’t know if the book deserves being seen as a doctrine, however I’m flattered to say the least.

I had my spiritual guide (a Dalai Lama Monk) hold the book and tell me that people’s spirits will go up when they read the book.

I had a few older wealthy couples order or buy the book demanding a signed copy for investment purposes.

I have invented a new way of signing books to accompany the traditional signature, but only a few copies will be endorsed in this unique way. You’ll know what talking about when you receive one.

Robert – If Pac is alive, is he overseeing things from where he is right now ie, music, clothing ect. behind the scenes?

Drah – Certainly and I’m sure he has the book in his possession.

I’m still alive so I assume he approves of it.

“We ain’t dead yet…” Intro to Thug Style by 2Pac

Robert – On several tracks of "Better Dayz" you can hear Tupac backing up the lead vocalist, by repeating the last word of their line, like in "This life I Lead" and "Military Minds". I just wanted to know if you noticed this and what you think about it.

Drah – Two of my favorite songs, I notice it now that you have brought it to my attention. I think it is clever.

Of course all of Tupac’s studio tactics are clever especially his lyrics.

Robert – If Tupac is in cahoots with Shady/Aftermath, how do you explain how all the real core fans were pissed off about the Loyal to the Game album?

Drah – I wouldn’t go the extent to say “ALL” the core fans.

However I heard a lot of feedback surrounding the album.

From one artist to the next it’s hard for me to say anything negative towards another artist’s hard work.

The main word here is “support”. True fans understand that they are not going to like everything that their favorite artist produces, however they support them anyways to add to their collection of other really hot things that artist has done.

Robert – Tupac once said in an interview "if I have to go to jail I don''t even want to be livin''. I wanna just cease to exist for however long they have me there, and then when I come out I''ll be reborn...."

We know that Pac and other artists were under surveillance at the time of his "death". Had he not been "killed" in Vegas would Pac be facing time stemming from this surveillance?

Drah – I don’t believe Tupac is dead I believe he was silenced not killed. I believe he was silenced mainly because, I believe, he had too much political power and influence.

Yes, Tupac would have probably been doing time had he stayed in the public eye. He would have done time not because of something Tupac had done as far as breaking the law but because of his political influence he possesses.

However you cannot go to jail for having “political influence”, but you can go to jail on a bogus rape charge, just ask Kobe Bryant.

Robert – That is the end of the emailed questions.

Robert – I’d like to mention a few names and get your impression on that person: Their involvement and just your general thought on their input to the ‘murder’ of Tupac Shakur.

Robert – Afeni Shakur – (Tupac’s Mother).

Drah – “Remember to keep yourself alive, there is nothing more important than that.” Afeni Shakur.

Now I know where Pac inherited his subliminal messages. LOL

Robert – Mutulu Shakur – (Tupac’s Father Figure).

Drah – A good, smart and well-respected soldier.

          And that is Dr. Mutulu Shakur.

Robert – The Outlawz – (Tupac’s Group).

Drah – They put on a good show. They were scheduled for a concert in my hometown of Topeka, Kansas one month after Afeni Skahur received the book 2Pac Lives. We never met; considering Topeka hadn’t had a major Hip-Hop concert in years before they came, I figured The Outlawz had other plans in mind if you know what I mean.

Robert – Kidda Jones – (Tupac’s Girlfriend who was with him in Vegas on Sept.7^th).

Drah – I feel the song “Thugs Get Lonely Too” is dedication to Kidda while Tupac is away.

Robert – Michael Eric Dyson – (Author of Holla if you Hear me).

Drah –  A good writer and comrade to the Amaru estate.

Robert – Cathy Scott – (Author of The Murder of Tupac Shakur and a crime reporter for the Las Vegas Sun at the time of the shooting in 96)

Drah – A baby boomer thug comrade.

Robert – Det. Poole

Drah – A heroic soldier another comrade and hero.

Robert – Frank Alexander – (One of Tupac’s Bodyguards and was there on Sept.7^th).

Drah – Was willing to talk but played it safe.

Al B. Sure on steroids. LOL

Robert – Suge Knight – (One of Tupac’s closest Friends and CEO of Death Row Records).

Drah – A good friend, businessman and legend of black owned businesses.

Robert – The LVMPD (Las Vegas Metro Police Dept).

Drah – A group of soldiers and potential players.

Robert – Kadaffi (Outlawz member supposedly murdered in New Jersey 2 months after the shooting in Las Vegas).

Drah –  Probably somewhere living it up with Tupac.

Robert – The Black Panther Party – (Strong ties to the Shakur family).

Drah – May have helped the Las Vegas project.

Robert – The Nation of Islam. (NOI)

Drah – Big fans of the book I received a personal gratitude call from their office.

Robert – C. Delourious Tucker

Drah – She probably needs to read the book to get to know Pac more.

Robert – Geronimop Pratt

Drah – Another soldier.

Robert – Assata Shakur (Tupac’s Godmother in exile)

Drah – One of the original “OG’s” of the Shakur camp.

“Support Assata Shakur” http://assatashakur.org/extradite2.htm

http://sundiata.afrikan.net/sunnet/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=86

Robert – Big Syke

Drah – Good studio voice and another loyal comrade.

Robert – We appreciate you taking time for this interview and giving us the chance to speak to you. We appreciate your willingness to work with us and for giving us this ''exclusive'' insight to the book and to yourself. Hopefully we can continue this relationship and communication and we look forward to Vol.2.

Drah – I would like to thank Thuglifearmy.com for keeping it real, by standing by their word and not twisting my words, for giving me this opportunity to speak with them and for representing and showing the Shakur family a high degree of respect.  I intend on maintaining a

relationship with Thuglifearmy.com for future projects and exclusive interviews. So those fans out there who want to hear from Drah Cenedive and ToZ Productions feel free to report here.

I hope this interview has answered the many questions of the millions of enthusiastic Tupac fans worldwide.

I would also like to add that I am one who agrees with many of you whom believe Tupac is still out there, however if that in fact is the case it is also possible Tupac is at the “point of no return”.

Also anyone who did not receive their ordered copy of “2Pac Lives” please contact the office a.s.a.p. I want to make sure everyone who ordered the book received their copy. And don’t lie if you have already gotten your copy all orders are traced and tracked for delivery.

Peace 2 the Middle East!!!!!!!

Robert - Is there anything that you might like to add?

Drah – I would like to leave the audience with a poem from the up and coming book “Malak’s Book of Poetry” it’s called:

“Prisoner of Guilt”

Somebody help me I been falling for years, I say somebody help me I been crying for tears. Just maybe, just maybe today will release me from my shameful past, my shameful mistakes as I break apart my devastated heart. Releasing my pain through my art. In denial, denying the strain of shame. A perpetual downward spiral locked in the fire of guilt. Misery and dismay meets me another day.

One lie after the next, a breech of conduct, violated laws of decency. While being haunted by the laws of morality.

The secrecy of sin became my best friend. Locked in the prison of depression, regret, and shame.

When will it end??

“Be proud of your past!”

The wisdom that I heard the past is a blueprint for the future like a definition to a word.

Am I still trapped in these imagined offenses?

A disposition that keeps me limited!

These memories only bring misery.

But I remember what my mom told me.

“Don’t waste your time trying to deny and fix history!”

Poem provided by Malak © 08/2/04

"You see close minded people traditionally are stubborn and foolish people when it comes to tuning into the dimension known as "real reality".

However they are able to conform very comfortably into society be it high, middle or lower classes of systematic society not excluding "corporate" and "industrial".

"To get a better description of what I''m talking about picture a horse with blinders on as he takes his owner down the narrow path of tunnel vision!"

-Drah Cenedive

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